{"id":24,"date":"2010-07-14T17:13:29","date_gmt":"2010-07-14T15:13:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/?p=24"},"modified":"2011-04-16T12:24:55","modified_gmt":"2011-04-16T10:24:55","slug":"no-meat-cant-be-green-a-response-to-andreas-spath","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/?p=24","title":{"rendered":"No, meat can&#8217;t be green &#8211; a response to Andreas Spath"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Andreas Spath has written <a href=\"http:\/\/www.news24.com\/Columnists\/AndreasSpath\/Can-meat-eaters-be-green-20100908\">an article on News24<\/a> arguing that  veganism is not a nutritionally sound diet, and that meat can be  &#8216;green&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>And  here&#8217;s my rebuttal, in point form. I have tagged Andreas in this note [i.e., on Facebook]  in the hopes that he will engage the points I raise in more detail.<\/p>\n<p>1:  Andreas claims that we come from a long line of hunters. Even though  this is in fact highly speculative (as is most research into  pre-history), to appeal to the hypothetical diet of our distant  ancestors, which was based on necessity and regional specifics (and not  on optimal nutrition), seems problematic, especially given that  comparative anatomy puts us in the same group as our closest biological  cousins who are primarily herbivores.<\/p>\n<p>Even if we do  find conclusive evidence that ancient hominids ate meat as a primary  source of nutrition, it would have <a href=\"http:\/\/paleovegan.blogspot.com\/2010\/08\/afarensis-may-have-used-stone-tools-so.html\">little bearing<\/a> on what we eat  nowadays.<\/p>\n<p>2:  Andreas claims that vegans are at risk of nutritional deficiency. This  is patently false. Ignoring the fact that studies repeatedly indicate  greater incidence of multiple nutritional deficiencies in meat eaters  than vegans \/ vegetarians, it is a simple fact, endorsed by major health  institutions around the world, that a balanced vegan diet contains  everything a person needs to thrive.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8211; Vitamin A, in  the form of beta-carotene, can be obtained from, amongst other things,  carrots, spinach, peppers, watercress and dried apricots.<\/li>\n<li>&#8211;  Vitamin D comes primarily from UVB, aka sunlight. Interestingly, in  countries that don&#8217;t see enough winter sun (e.g., the UK), it is  primarily *non-vegan* foods like milk that are supplemented (just as the  diets of UK meat-eaters are supplemented with iodine).<\/li>\n<li>&#8211;  Tryptophan is easily obtained from almonds, cabbage, kidney or lima  beans, roasted soybeans, oats, pistachios, poppy seed, pumpkin seed,  spinach, wheat or evening primrose seed (which has the highest  tryptophan content of any food).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>3: Andreas agrees that  industrial livestock is bad, but claims that grass-fed cows are okay.  Unfortunately the numbers are against him here. Not only has Salatin&#8217;s  data on Polyface been <a href=\"http:\/\/vegetarianmythmyth.wordpress.com\/\">widely<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vegetarianmyth.com\/node\/40\">debunked<\/a>, but it is also the case that  grass-fed cows are responsible for greater CO2 equivalent emissions due  to longer breeding times, alternative diet, etc. Andreas is  (suspiciously, given the other points he raises) also putting forward  the same false dilemma Lierre Keith does: industrial monocropped plant  food vs. happy farm organic meat. Surely he is aware that plant food can  also be produced organically, using veganic permaculture techniques on a  fraction of the land and using a fraction of the resources? I have good  numbers available on all this.<\/p>\n<p>4: Finally, I&#8217;m  interested in which other arguments Andreas finds unconvincing? The  health arguments endorsed by major athletes, nutritional researchers and  health organisations? The powerful ethical arguments put forward by  leading philosophers like Tom Regan or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.drstevebest.org\">Steve Best<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p>I look forward to engaging any specific questions on the objections I have raised in more detail.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Andreas Spath has written an article on News24 arguing that veganism is not a nutritionally sound diet, and that meat can be &#8216;green&#8217;. And here&#8217;s my rebuttal, in point form. I have tagged Andreas in this note [i.e., on Facebook] in the hopes that he will engage the points I raise in more detail. 1:\u2026 <a href=\"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/?p=24\">Read More &raquo;<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4,5,3],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=24"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":58,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24\/revisions\/58"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=24"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=24"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/meme.co.za\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=24"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}